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Watch out for the White Van Speaker Scam!!

Friday, October 20, 2006

There is a scam that is happening across America everyday and people are falling for left and right.

The scam goes something like this. You are minding your own business in a grocery store parking lot putting away your grocery's or simply walking into or out of the store when a vehicle approaches you and rolls down their window.

Usually the vehicle is a van typically white in color to make it look like a company vehicle which is part of the scam. I have been approached by other type vehicles but the van seems to be most popular with the low life scammers.

You will then hear their sales pitch "Hey do you want to buy some speakers?" or "Hey do you want to buy a Home theater system?" followed by "I just got done installing a set of these and I was given an extra set by mistake" The scammers make it look as if they are a professional Home audio install team complete with a white company van. They will tell you that they can sell you a set of speakers for $300 and then tell you the list price is $1000 on the set.

If you show the least bit of interest the scammers may even have a phony catalog to show you the set and the list price. They also may have invoice papers with a phony company name on top of it. If you don't have the cash on you they will gladly follow you to the ATM.

The speakers will have fancy names like:

  • Audiofile
  • Acoustic Monitor
  • Acoustic Response (not to be confused with the company Acoustic Research, which involved the famous and respected Henry Kloss, who went on to found KLH and Cambridge Soundworks),
  • Acoustic Image,
  • Acoustic Lab Technology
  • Denmark (not to be confused with Denon)
  • Dogg Digital, Digital Dogg Audio (reportedly very popular on eBay)
  • Dahlton
  • Dynalab (not to be confused with Dynamat)
  • Epiphany
  • Grafdale
  • Digital Pro Audio, Pro Audio, Digital Audio, Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems, Digital Audio
  • Skyline Digital Research
  • Epiphany Audio
  • Omni Audio
  • Protecsound
  • Pro Dynamics
  • Paradyme (not to be confused with Paradigm)
  • PSD (jokingly referred to as Paid Scam Drivers). Not to be confused with PSB.
  • Theater Research

Man what a great deal you think!! Not so fast.........


You may wonder where is the scam in all of this. Well the $300 you are about to shell out is going towards a crappy set of speakers that cost them $75. Or you may get home and open the box and have it full of rocks or junk.

Don't fall prey to the white van speaker scam that is happening all over America. I have been approached Grand Rapids, Mi in the Meijer parking lot on Alpine twice, and twice in the parking lot of Rogers mall in Wyoming, Mi.

Here are some more links if you want to read more about it:

http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1


http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/4/9/224439/1810






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  1. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:08 PM |  

    A couple to add to your list:

    Millenium Theater Systems or MTS

    Matrix Audio Concepts. At least they own up to this: "Manufacturer's suggested prices do not represent a bonafide selling price in the metro trading area. "

    What's new here is that instead of a white van, they're using craigslist and eBay, too.

    Always with a story about how they're moving and can't take their brand new $2500 speaker system with them, so they're sacrificing it for $500, or $1000.

    A whois lookup will show some of the sites were just listed.

    And isn't it curious that none of these companies have a physical address on their site!?

  2. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:01 PM |  

    I LIVE IN HOMESTEAD FLORIDA SOUTH OF MIAMI, ON 4/11/07 A COUPLE APROACHED ME IN A WHITE ASTRO VAN. THEY OTHERED ME AN MTS SPEAKER SYSTEM THAT THEY SAID AND HAD A FAKE CATALOGE IN WHICH IT STATED IT WAS WORTH 1,999.00 BE AWARE OF THE WHITE VAN.

  3. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:44 PM |  

    They are in Massachussetts. They are arround home depots. They took me for $400. i didn't know about the scam. i told one of my friends about the deal and he told me that he was aproached also. But he was the smart one and din't go for it!

  4. Anonymous Anonymous | 9:22 PM |  

    matrix audio concept speakers is a complete scam if you think your getting a good deal for £375, your being ripped off completly! the speakers are probably worth £50! dont fall for their tricks

  5. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:30 PM |  

    "Dan Wave" was the "high end" co, they only got me for $200 but the box had a MSRP of $3100. They had the shirts, magazine and all the scam equipment.

  6. Blogger Plus 5 For Sobriety | 1:21 PM |  

    I fell for this one big time. Figured giving some bum $1200 bucks for a $3500 surround sound was fair, and even threw in an additional $800 for two $1800 tower speakers. Good thing the kind folks at Visa decided to raise my credit limit so I could buy both :|

    OK, yeah Its stupid after the fact on so many levels, until you see the whole routene which is worthy of an oscar... honestly I guess if I had to be fooled, it might as well been by someone who was really good.

    By the way, is it worth anything to watch me destroy a Di Vinci DV-505 surround sound system? I'm thinking sense I'm out the 1200 bucks anyways, I might as well try and recoup a few bucks and then give some people some entertainment... I envision the title "If you bought these speakers, here is a fun workout for you" or something along those lines.

    Anyways, its a really nice looking system and techincally it works... I know I heard some kind of sound come out of them... it might have been Britney Spearks, or Lindsay Lohan I'm not sure... It also might have been a cat dying...

    BUT ANYWAYS, Visit my blog Plus 5 for sobriety if you want to comment, or let me know if its worth anything to you to see that lol.

  7. Anonymous Anonymous | 9:06 PM |  

    High End White Van Speaker Scam refunds 303-618-0975 Rob Sullivan




    Bought speakers out of the back of a white van or speaker Suv .....

    We found the guy that's been ripping people off for nearly 20 years.

    Robert M Sullivan dob June 03 , 1968
    Phone 303-618-0975

  8. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:57 PM |  

    Sadly enough, I was duped on this scam just last Friday (6/15/07) while leaving the bank. A guy was parked next to my truck in a white Suburban (no tags) selling some overstock of Dan Wave premium speakers. I was beat out of $250, but in the end it was my fault.

    If something sounds to be too good to be true, it usually is! :)

    I just wish there was a way to mass inform others. After I went to the alleged manufactures site, it was obvious that things didn't add up: http://www.bts-system.com/index.htm

    Live & Learn
    Charleston, SC USA

  9. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:12 PM |  

    matrix audio concept / july 9 2007. they are in danbury/brookfield CT. they claim the business is out of wallingford ct. same MO as the rest. blue van ct plates / two white males; glenn from kensington ct , early thirties, 5' 6" stockey dirty brown hair, facial hair. frankie from meriden ct, mid/early twenties, 5'11" skinny "polish" looking. the system works but is poor quality, comes with brochure and fake catalog, also claim fake 5 year warranty. glenn showed me his drivers license and i remembered it, i hope it's fake and he's not there when i go,they are smooth and they better paint that van, i will find them!

  10. Anonymous Anonymous | 3:47 PM |  

    Called that Rob guy,

    what a ######## . This guy needs a whippin.

  11. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:46 AM |  

    Sorry to say, John, but these are one example of the dreaded "white van"
    speakers oft mentioned in this newsgroup. They are cheaply built using
    low quality drivers with now "design" per se. They are part of a
    marketing scheme that often uses college kids in vans to drive around
    parking lots selling these as "closeouts" or "overstocks" or even "hot".
    The sellers cliam some fantastic retail price (which not only
    mythological, it's misrepresentation to the point where the Federal Trade
    Comission, the Indiana and California Attorneys General and oethers have
    brought forth indictements for criminal misrepresentation and interstate
    fraud).

    They are, in a word, not very good. They're made to look impressive enough
    to sell at a whopping profit. I worked on some of these cases as an expert
    witness. The manufacturing cost of the speaker is below $20, yet the
    sellers have claimed "retail" prices as high as $1200/pair. You will never
    see such speakers in a retail establishment, and if you find something
    comparable in cinstruction or performance, it will usually be as part of a
    big $400 "rack" system.


    The efficiency is low (contrary to their claims), the distortion is high,
    the frequency response is poor (contrary to their claims), they are NOT
    used as monitors in recording studios (contrary to their claims) or by
    professional DJ's (except as junk speakers they don't care about
    destroying).


    --
    | Dick Pierce |
    | Loudspeaker and Software Consulting

  12. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:10 PM |  

    Living in SOuth Milwaukee, WI. My boyfriend got scammed outta 600 bones. Not even close to a "SUB". IS there anyway we can stop these ****s?? they own their own business, and drove him to the bank to take the money. we all need to group together. Class action suit! but who's doing it...

  13. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:22 PM |  

    Got ripped off 8/01/2007 in Savannah ga. One guy dark hair 30's med build 5'8". Gold caravan.

  14. Anonymous Anonymous | 9:45 AM |  

    wow never thought it be me to get duped..but here i am $600 bucks guys. I dont need to tell my story as we all now know enough about this scam.. I'll tell you one thing though. If i ever see these guys again, and chances are most likely i will at some point, I'll make them pay for all of the speakers they sold. If you are one of those white van speaker guys reading this.. know this.. a plastic surgery is going to cost you a lot more then a set of speakers for me.

  15. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:58 PM |  

    got screwed $400 today in florida by a guy called mark (678)-517-6476. he sold me the same divinci set some guy above commented on. i am angry as hell...

  16. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:10 AM |  

    i sell speakers out of the van and make over 200,000 a year. at least we put the effort in, its not an easy job. the way i figure it who in their right mind pulls over because some dude in a white vsan told them too anyway????? wat are you crazy??? i do wat i gotta do. not my faulot people are greedt and gulibul!! peace out

  17. Blogger Dubled | 9:11 AM |  

    There you have it folks. You too can be uneducated, unable to spell, unable to put together a proper sentence, unable to fathom why it would be wrong to dupe someone for personal gain, and make $200K a year here in the good old USA.

  18. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:31 AM |  

    They got me with these "palermo" speakers it comes in a green box and there were two guys driving in a black cadillac escalade. one guy had a very large beard and i dont remember the other one. they sold me the junk speakers for 350 so watch out they have a bunch of different cars now

  19. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:56 AM |  

    I have been approached by this scam since the 80's! This has happened to me several times in Tampa FL. Each time I knew it was a scam somehow.. just didn't feel right. The first time , I was skeptical. The 2nd and 3rd, with different guys with variations on the same pitch, I knew something was up.. but this is the first time I heard anyone doing anything about it!

  20. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:58 AM |  

    White guy, most likely a goldish suburban (i could be completely wrong, one of those things), he was extremely fat, bulging eyes, no uniform, pulled up when i was about to leave the bank, said some guy gave hime 1,800 for a 3,600 speaker (matrix home theater stuff) and he was really excited and didnt really care if i didnt give him that much cuz he already had alot, he said his name was "DAN" and shook my hand and stuff, saying about what his wife would say about the money he made, anybody else get scammed by the same guy?

  21. Anonymous Brett | 11:07 PM |  

    Yeah I just found a guy on craigslist in mpls/st Paul trying to get $1200 for a Dan Wave surround sound system. Says MSRP $3200 on the box looks like a $59.95 HTIB to me. He says he won it in a contest but can't use it cause he's deaf. Playing the sympathy card too. As much as I despise these guys I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who shells out large sums of cash to a guy in a white van selling equipment from a brand he's never heard of. Use your head people and do your research.

  22. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:33 AM |  

    I've been approached twice in my life with this scam. Once in San Marcos, Texas and the other in San Antonio, Texas. Both said they just got an extra set of speakers, but neither was in a white van, just a regular minivan or jeep.

  23. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:25 PM |  

    POST #9! I saw these guys at the peoples bank in Danbury CT (yesterday, oct 16). All the info you gave is right. if you want to talk email me ruthless25@gmail.com

    i want to find them, they arent smart staying around the area

  24. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:33 AM |  

    yep got scammed like a bitch today. Bought two mx-1200 audio speakers from a guy in liverpool, engalnd. He had the same routine that a lot of people described: one about a wrong order from the warehouse and he just wanted to sell the remaining speakers so that his boss didn't get the money. Still, he was a bloody good actor and probably deserved his £230.00.

  25. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:01 AM |  

    GOT SCAMED !

    miami fl 3 guys in a orange nissan marono showed me the fake magazine and everything and even walked intot he back with me to cash my check which went straight to these sob's. 300 bucks epic sounds 7.1 audio . i told my friend about it and he said shit me to same car 2 month's ago but never told because he felt like an idiot. so i know its there car he goes between kendall and brickell watch out for epic audio. this is what get for trying to buy my dad stolen speakers for his bday :(

  26. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:52 AM |  

    damn, they got me too. I am going to find those mf's. I am in the Connecticut area. If anyone knows a way to go about or have dealt with them let me know.

  27. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:33 PM |  

    has anyone got "kirsch" speakers?

  28. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:35 PM |  

    kirsch are the speakers being sold in georgia :/ anyone else get those?

  29. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:48 PM |  

    I've been selling stereo equipment legit in a store for 35 years starting when I was 19. While I dislike the back 'o truck speaker guys as much as the next person you need to take some personal responsibility for your actions. The next time someone tries to sell you speakers (or anything!)out of the back of their van ask to see their business license or just call the cops. When you're ready to make a purchase go visit your local retailer (preferrably a small, non-chain store)and give them your money. Running a small business is so tough these days that if they're still in business in 2007 believe me they are price competitive. Keep the money local with merchants that will support you if something goes wrong!

  30. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:30 PM |  

    Yeah my friend just got scammed by the guys in the blue van! They have the MSRP of 7-8k come on! This poor kid really thought he got a bargain. I felt bad for him! But he really should have called the cops or gave them a good old fashion ass beaten! They did exactly as they did to the guy above showed the license-showed the warranty, stocky short little bastard and a skinny fag. They even followed him to the ATM! I mean part of what the retard that claims to make 200k a year is true I mean really you should be smarter-but like somone else said no everyone is educated and really want a good deal. Guy you a scum bag 200k or not and bad carma will bite you in the ass eventually-Piss the wrong giy off and you will be spelling even worse than you do now-or even end up with bubba in prison. But I do somwhat have to say a person should be skeptical when you ahve to buy right then--(what's the rush) research I looked at the web site for Matrix-you can view the stuff see the ridiculous prices but you cannot buy it from the site-RED FLAG! Also look at stores they make speakers so small you can fit them in you pocket--awesome sound and for $700.00 at sears you can have them with a reciept and a REAL warranty. In the end my friend was a sucker I feel bad but still. He should have known when the said "happens all the time he orders one for 8k and they send him 2--I don;t know about you people but When does a respectable company send 8k and all the time and not realize it?
    Sleep better knowing that you a smarter now and won'fall victim-hey maybe this will help you in life even buying a car with all the bullshit in the fine print. Scams are all about this world-- Peace

  31. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:35 PM |  

    Wal-Mart parking lot SANDUSKY,Oh. A man in a "TAN VAN" approached my father and told him he had three extra surround sound systems (3 more than what where on his invoice) that he could sell at an unbelievable price. Started at $600 then $400. My father had $150 in his wallet and the man told he would sell it for $200 if he would get $50 out of the bank. Father started to walk away when the man suddley put the surround sound system on his truck and told him he'll take $150. Father returned home, hooked the system up, then...... well, lets say all 4 little speakers don't work and the subwoofer hits as hard as a piece of dust landing on a table. I'm going to go out tomorrow, hunt this ****er down and beat the living sh*t out of him. Them going to find out who he is working for and go right down the line. They just opened a new can of whoop ass.

  32. Anonymous The Prodegy | 11:55 PM |  

    Im on the hunt for these guys and i will find them. Danbury CT 12-20-07 they got my Fiance at her bank for the Matrix surround. she was gonna call me but they said to her it should be a surprise. so she bought it, then called me and i new it was a scam cuz they came at me 3times and i told them to F off. This was a blue van older guy and younger guy!!vw051@aol.com hit me up. hunt is on. im getting alot more money then what they got her for. WHos down to spoil their holiday??

  33. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:52 PM |  

    Andersen Indiana WalMart Parking lot 12-27-2007 at 3:45pm Thursday afternoon, south west corner of parking lot near stores south entrannce. As I got out of my truck and started walking towards the walmart doors, two punks in a silver min van late model very dirty pulled up abruptly windows down blocking my path asking me if I wanted to buy a home theatre system. I said no, they kept tryin to talk, I said get the F__ck out of my way, they returned some obsenities at me, I walkd behind and around their van told them to go scam somebody else, held a wad of money out of the window and said they have more money than I made in a month. I told them to leave me alone, they followed me slowly yelling at me, I said stop following me or I'm going to kick your ass, they followed me all the way to the door of the walmart got out and threatened me. Then they handed me some DHL package reciept that said dream something electronics, and told me they worked for a company and they were not scaming anyone and told me to call the police then took the reciept out of my hands and drove off. I called walmart and told them about it and to get their security tapes and get the lic plates so they could find them. That is considered assault. The manager made me wait 17 minutes on hold then sounded very dis-interested. said he'd tell the guys out there (where is out there?) hund up without even asking my name or contact info...doubt he'll do anything about it.

  34. Blogger Rodney | 6:21 AM |  

    Got me in Montville CT home depot parking lot - Green Van chrome rims- I am an educated person and have never fallen for anything like this before but it was christmas time and I thought I would get a home theater system for my family. The system was a genesis media labs home theater system- I have heard of genesis speakers before but these are obviously a chesp imitation. Looking back I am still not certain why I purchased a theater system out of a van- but Ill tell you they had documentation/brochures, etc that were convincing. When I figured out I was scammed, I was quite embarrassed and wondered how I could be so stupid. The truth be told these guys were good at selling the scam. Has anyone else been approached by two guys in a green van in the Groton/ new london area of CT. I am wanting to have an "incidental" run in with these guys again and this time it will be them paying me!

  35. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:50 PM |  

    They are in Minnesota, they got me for $400. I got ripped off yesterday in front of the bank on 1/9/08 Two guys in a white van with chrome rims pulled up and asked if I wanted to buy a home theather system. These guys had it all to invoices, and business cards. A couple of hours later I realized what a dumbass I was for buying this. I haven't even hooked it up yet because I don't even want to hear what it sounds like with what everybody has said on here. Its a Epic Sound 7.1 Watch out guys they are out there.

  36. Anonymous Anonymous | 3:00 PM |  

    I knew it when I bought it... yet I am still too fucking stupid... white van, alexandria KY... oh well, guess he needed the money more than me...

    at least I only paid 250...

  37. Blogger Debbie | 11:44 AM |  

    ON NOV 21ST,2008 I WAS PULLING OUT OF OUR LOCAL WALMART WHEN A GUY IN A BLACK VAN STARTED HOLLARING AT ME.. HE ASKED ME TO PULL OVER, THAT HE HAD A HOME THEATER SYSTEM THAT WOULD BLOW ME AWAY AFTER I HAD SEEN THE PRICE. (WELL, I WAS OUT CHRISTMAS SHOPPING FOR MY FIANCE) SO I FIGURED WHY NOT??.

    HE HAD 3 OTHER GUYS IN THE VAN, WHOM NEVER GOT OUT. HE SAID THEY WERE COMMING FROM THEIR SEYMORE INDIANA STORE (30 MIN AWAY) AND HEADED TO THE COLTS FOOTBALL GAME IN INDY AND NEED SOME CASH.
    THAT THEY HAD A SYSTEM FROM GENISIS MEDIA LABS THAT THEY WOULD GIVE ME FOR A GREAT PRICE
    AND THAT.. SAID IT CAME WITH A 3 WARRANTY ECT... WHEN I SEEN THE BOX IT HAD AN MSRP OF $2899.00 ON ITS BAR CODE LABEL, AND I TOLD HIM THAT WAS WAY OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE.

    (THE BACK OF THIS VAN WAS LOADED DOWN WITH EQUIPMENT) HE SAID HE COULD GIVE IT TO ME FOR $1500.00. WELL THAT WAS WAY OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE TOO. THEN HE SAID HOW ABOUT $300.00... I DEBATED.. AND DEBATED... THEN STARTED TO WALK OFF AND HE SAID "DONT YOU LIKE THE SYSTEM"? I SAID "SURE I DO" BUT I CANT AFFORD IT... HE SAID ILL TELL YOU WHAT.. $200.00. I ASKED HIM TO OPEN THE BOX SO I COULD CHECK OUT THE SYSTEM...IiT REALLY LOOKED NICE.. THEN HE SHOWED ME A MAGIZINE WITH A HUGE WRITE UP ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND SOMEONE (I CANT REMEMBER NOW) ON THE COVER ENDORSING IT.

    BUT BACK TO THE FINANCES... I STILL DIDNT HAVE $200.00 AND I TOLD HIM THAT... HE ASKED IF I HAD A CREDIT CARD, I SAID YES, I ASKED HIM IF HE ACCEPTED THEM HE SAID HE DIDNT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO RUN A CARD IN THE VAN BUT.. I COULD GO TO MY BANK AND MAKE A CASH WITHDRAWL AGAINST MY CREDIT CARD.. AND EVEN OFFED TO FOLLOW ME TO THE BANK.. AFTER LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM, AND LOOKING AT THE MSRP, THEN LOOKING AT $200.00 I SAID OK... THEY FOLOWED ME TO THE BANK. I GOT THEM THE CASH. BROUGHT IT OUT, HE LOADED THE SYSTEM IN MY CAR FOR ME, GAVE ME A RECIEPT. TITLED:

    "CUSTOMER WARRANTY CENTER"
    37637 FIVE MILE RD STE 326,
    LIVONIA, MI 48154

    AUTHORIZED DEALER: TRAVIS BROWN
    D.A.W. WARRANTY CODE: OH - 310897 - DAW


    ON THIS RECIEPT HE WROTE:
    QUANITY 1- G-6030 UNDER MSRP $2899.00
    AMOUNT PAID $200.00

    ALSO HE WROTE:
    D.A.W. 973 N. SHADELAND AVE
    INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA 46219

    TICKET # 29995

    I WAS SO EXCITED!!! THAT I HAD A VERY NICE GIFT FOR MY FIANCE.. I TOOK IT HOME AND WRAPPED IT UP FOR CHRISTMAS.

    CHRISTMAS DAY:
    MY FIANCE OPENS HIS GIFT, AND WAS SO EXCITED...
    HE GETS IT ALL SET UP THEN THE MOMENT HE HAD WAITED FOR, TURNS IT ON...
    THE UNIT HUMMED REALLY BAD!!! HE COULDNT FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, SO HE GETS ON THE NET AND GOES TO GENISIS LABS SITE IN WHICH TO FIND OUT THAT THE LINK TO CUSTOMER SERVICE DOESNT DO ANYTHING... SO WE FAXED THEM ABOUT THE ISSUE. TILL THIS DAY NO RESPONCE. SO I DECIDED TO START LOOKING AROUND TO SEE WHAT I COULD FIND OUT.. THEN I FOUND THIS SITE. I HOPE SOMETHING CAN BE DONE WITH THESE RIP-OFFS!!

    THIS WAS AND STILL IS VERY EMBARASSING TO ME, LET ALONE IM OUT MY $200.00 +..

    WE ALL WORK HARD FOR OUR MONEY, AND RIP-OFF'S LIKE GENISIS MEDIA LABS THAT PREY ON FOLKS SHOULD BE CAUGHT AND HUNG BY THEIR TOENAILS!!!

  38. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:06 AM |  

    I was banging this scam as a kid in Ft Lauderdale 15 years ago! I told my friend that I was doing it and he STILL bought speakers out of a van!! People will never learn. It's in our nature to be duped.

    I really don't understand, however, how no one has busted these companies that manufacture speakers which they don't even attempt to sell in stores. Why are we "protected" from street drugs, causing horrible drug wars, and yet this is allowed. Maybe the government should sell speakers out of a van. It'll be the new Iran/Contra.

  39. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:44 AM |  

    So I've known about this scam since high school, I graduated in 1995 and have been approached by "White van" scams several times because I have a pretty nice system in my car. One guy gave me the "hey, I got some extra speakers" spiel and I told him, I didn't need his speakers, I have very nice speakers already. He said, "What do you have?" and I told him, have you heard of Polk RT2000's? And he said no. I said, "They were over $2000 new." He said, "No they weren't!" Great sales tactic dude. You just called me a liar.

  40. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:21 PM |  

    Beware of guys driving in blue suv selling EPIC 7.1 speaker system in Miami Florida area. I was approached in my grocery store parking lot today.

  41. Blogger The organisation to destroy cnspiracies to the free world. | 12:33 PM |  

    Wow this is like group therapy. All my friends have been ripping the piss out of me all day for being such an idiot. OMG what a bloody greedy idiot i've been.

    I'm a student with no money and bought a pair of s##t speakers for £250.

    Number plate DX07 OJA, 2 guys driving around Aberdeen (Scotland), middle aged with London accents in a white van. MX 1200 speakers, left them at my mates house - to embarrares to go collect...

  42. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:31 PM |  

    February 7 2008, Blue Van Greensboro, NC. I told them several times I wasn't interested.

    Be alert folks.

  43. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:46 PM |  

    tampa area :
    illinois licence plate
    : 806 9518 in a black navigator.
    tried sam on my friend got a pfoto of his licence? too..
    m420-110-66-345-0
    from palm harbor fl

  44. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:24 PM |  

    the same deal a blue van with epic 7.1 speakers... tried to sell them to me...phony book bla bla be careful

  45. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:13 AM |  

    Houston 2/29/2008

    Two guys selling Genesis Media Labs home theater system. On their way to an install with an extra system shipped to them on accident. Just found out their boss would be at the install site. Need to unload. Offered to sell for $300. I smelled fish and passed.

  46. Anonymous Anonymous | 3:54 PM |  

    Pat Tracy, Maine Driver's license, white guy, late 20s, to early 30's, 6 feet tall or so, Westminster California, Palermo VA6.1 speaker system. Took me for $300 - what an idiot I am!! They are everywhere, beware! Two guys in an SUV, second guy never said a word, Pat was very friendly, easily went from $500 to $300 when I told him that was the most I could get from the ATM. Showed me the catalog, baited me with Kirsch 650 watt speaker system and said he had 1000 watt system for the same price. Here I am, an hour and a half later wishing I had listened to the voice in my head that said "don't do it, if it's too good to be true, it probably is" but then the other voice said "it's only $300 for a $2500 set of speakers!" STUPID!

    Thanks for this forum, hopefully enough people will get wind of this to stop it dead in it's tracks. Palermo VA6.1 speakers - I can't even find the manufacturer on the web! What an idiot I am! Obviously they are packaging these systems with different names - Palermo seems to be a newer one - but the MO is the same, offer a home theater system for a too-good-to-be-true price. DON'T GET SUCKERED! Don't buy speakers from guys in parking lots! Duh!

  47. Blogger ottawa | 12:17 PM |  

    Attention! Ils sont maintenant à Gatineau, Québec!
    Ils nous ont approchés hier soir dans le sationnement du Canadian Tire à Hull en nous racontant la même mardre qu'à tous! On a fini par payer 150$ pour l'esemble et tout semble fonctionner (au moins il y a ça), mais savoir qu'ils ont payés moins de 75$ pour ça et que c'est uen crosse, c'est un peu chiant!

    Ils étaient deux jeunes hommes dans la vingtaine, habillés comme des jeunes normaux qui réclammaient qu'ils venaient de Montréal et qu'ils faisaient des livraisons de systèmes dans cette région et qu'ils en avaient un de trop (bizarrement, il y en avait 6 dans la van..). Il demandaient 400$. Ils conduisaient une Dodge Caravan vert forêt.
    Alors Attention! Ils sont vraiment convaincants!

  48. Anonymous Anonymous | 7:28 PM |  

    Be on the look people. I also got taken for $ 160.00 with a home surround system called EPIC SOUND 7.1. I would not pay anymore than that. I thought it was suspicious but I thought well he seems to be on the up and up. This person approached me and my wife at a Hialeah mall is Florida. Yep they made it to Florida.
    He was driving a small blue car. at first I thought that he just wanted our parking the mall was packed. As we got closer to our car, he got out and said " hey are you interested in buying a home surrond system. I just came from a warehouse and they must have messed up because they gave me 2 extra. He pulled the same crap as it states here. He showed me a magazine listing the item for $1,999. I thought about it for a bit. i was unsure. My wife and I spoke about it. He said he could give it to us for $300, then $ 200 finally he said $160.00. We gave him the cash. he even told me that he could get me a Flat screen TV. I was like wow, really! I even gave him my cell-phone number. I guess that was a if mistake. Well lets hope this system works.

  49. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:11 PM |  

    Victim in Ardmore OK. They got me for $700.oo, white van, smiling nice guys. Followed me to the bank.
    B oogers

  50. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:50 PM |  

    I really got beat two guys in silver van , one dark complected 6ft approx 215lbs mid to late 30's the other white fat guy around 25 yrs . Pulled in backwards at McDonalds parking lot . I pakrd beside them , they opened the box showed me the epic 7.1 system . I got it for 500.00 . One of the guys said he was going to get a new one unopened out of the back , when he got into the van the other driver sped off with my money . But I did get a license plate number and it is being investigated . This is in the Dayton , Ohio area . So beware all ! Plates are registered to a man out of Cincinatti . Feel sorry for his ass , I want my money back and I will be prosocuting to the fullest extent . 3-11-08

  51. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:33 PM |  

    these mutha fuck#$% are in New Jersy right now! But see they might of scammed me pretty good but the payback they are about to get will help the rest of all of us around the United States. My name will be kepT anoyonymous for the protection of my job but i am a F.B.I. Agent. They will show you a fake drivers license, they drive around it rental trucks or pick-ups, which fingerprints are left behind, its only a matter of time when they think they will take another dollar from someone else. so my fellow blog members just be cool. These crooks are "LAUGHING NOW, BUT WILL CRY LATER..........

  52. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:33 AM |  

    They are in pa now,i got f--- just like the others,they were in a white van.This scam should be on the news,i dident know it was going on,mybe someone will see it on the news and kick the shit out of them. LIVE AND LEARN

  53. Anonymous Anonymous | 10:54 PM |  

    My dumb ass feel for the banana in the tailpipe today (3/19/08) in Carol City, FL at Race Track gas. Two guys in a gold Trailblazer pulled up and wanted me to check out the Epic 7.1 speakers they had in the back. I got the same line about they loaded an extra at the warehouse and they wanted to unload it for a little side cash. My first instinct was no way, I don't even need those. Then I had an out of body experience and somehow agreed to give these guys $100 to take the surround sound set off thier hands. They had all the answers when I shot holes in thier scam, and they were slick enough convince me they were legit (magazine, matching uniforms). I happened to be going in the same direction as them when I left the gas station and they got off the expressway at the same exit as my work. I followed them as they went into a Denny's although they were in such a hurry at the gas station because he claimed they had to meet their boss and do an install in 10 minutes. He even gave me his phone number which I texted him to ask how was the food at Denny's, since he was in such a hurry to meet his boss. He said that his boss was eating there and then they were going to do installs. This guy could sell ice to eskimos! In hindsight, when I found this site and realized I had been bamboozled, it was easy to see through all the B.S.! He would not answer my calls, but did text me back a few times telling me I was ungrateful and to plug them in , that "I'll love em." Once I confronted him and it was clear that I knew I had been had, I got no more replys from him. Now I have no idea what to do with these speakers...I see people trying to sell them on ebay and craigslist, but I could not rip anyone off like that. I will post the phone number here for anyone who wants to call or text and annoy this A-hole 24 hours a day- get creative!. I am sure it is a pre-pay phone so it may not be in service very long. Let the games begin. (518)307-0213

  54. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:47 PM |  

    Beware White Van sited at the Westfield Main Place Mall in Santa Ana, California! Brian and Chuck are out to sell you "premium" speakers and a bargain price. Avoid this van at all costs.

  55. Blogger bigben | 10:52 PM |  

    People of new orleans beware of the genesis speaker scam. Those bastards got me and i called him tonight to try and return them. I asked what is your last name and he got nervous and said frankie. here is the guys phone number,703-554-3690 It works and he answered it. He said his name was ron frankie. Call his ass and tell him to burn in hell!!!! I called him and told him to meet up with me tomorrow to return the speakers because i found out about this scam going around. I doubt he will answer Lets make this asshole nervous and blow up his phone like there's no tomorrow. This bastard needs to pay!!!!

  56. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:08 PM |  

    Hi no# 53 this is no# 48. The number you provided to these _ _ _ _'s is still good.. In fact, I just called it and some one picked up and hung up. So everyone here call these _ _ _ _'s and anoy the _ _ _t out of them.

    No# 48 (Hialeah Mall incident)

  57. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:10 PM |  

    I just got had today in Jacksonville Florida for $200 bucks. The speakers labeled Millennium Sound Labs MSL-7700R, MSPR price $2369.00. They actually sound pretty good, so far. And I did need them, but still.....

  58. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:26 AM |  

    Canberra, Australia.

    They just tried it on me this afternoon. I felt it was fishy and didn't get involved. I looked it up on the internet and found out it was scam so I reported it to the local cops.

    Most scams I have been subject to attempts have been online... this white van speaker scam really pisses me off.

  59. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:42 PM |  

    Has anyone here heard of buyer beware? Do you think those "everything must go, 50, 60, even 70% off!" sales at your local retailer of any other product is a legitimate, honest sales pitch? What these guys do is pray on peoples greediness and stupidity. Is it immoral? probably, but illegal? Other then violating no solicitation laws, I don't think so.

    I also get a kick out of the people who say they're going to hunt down and beat up these guys. Good luck. These guys are not dumb and are more than likely prepared for the likelihood of confrontation.

    Suck it up people. Report the companies to the better busines beareau and spread the word, but be real, these guys are just selling something with a good, dishonest pitch. Much like purveyors of mainstream products by mainstream companies.

    Truth is, if you bought these speakers you're a dumba$$ and probably learned a lesson.

    There's a sucker born every minute.

  60. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:56 PM |  

    Haven't any of you heard the old saying 'BUYER BEWARE"? Where the hell have you all been? Lawyers are crooks but you still pay them! I know these guys. They work really hard and yes, it's no different than the used car salesman. You all are big boys and girls. They don't put a gun up to your head, they aren't selling drugs. You are the consumer, do your homework. You wouldn't buy a used car without looking at the Kelly Bluebook now would ya.
    Donna
    Denver/Tampa

  61. Anonymous Blow up white van | 1:51 PM |  

    I got hit with this scam about 10 years ago.
    I paid $400 for a pair of acoustic response tower speakers and realized it was a scam after a guy in the bank parking lot told me I had just been had. I had never felt so stupid in my entire life.
    It was quite the learning experience to say the least.
    I took them to a pawn shop 10 minutes later and got $75 for them.
    Live and learn.

  62. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:52 PM |  

    ok i find out where they come from but i dont got the number to call,i got someone in the law that help me out , i got scam to so i did my stuff the name of the companie is :
    AMERICAN PRIDE SOUND SOLUTIONS
    9030 BELLHURST WAY #118
    WEST PALM BEACH FL 33411

    that can be one of many more scam companies around the state,please let me no if someone is close to these place

  63. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:10 PM |  

    I was looking for another system for the bedroom and planned to spend $300 on a kmart system this weekend, I picked one up from these guys for $375 and it sounds as good as my $700 sony... great system for the money. How do these guys sell these so inexpensively!?? Very happy with the product and the manufacturer confirmed the 3 year warranty in a conversation I had with them. Fun guys and way better than giving my money to Less Buy, Circuit Shitty or Fall-Apart. At this price, you can not beat the warranty or the sound.

  64. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:11 PM |  

    I was looking for another system for the bedroom and planned to spend $300 on a kmart system this weekend, I picked one up from these guys for $375 and it sounds as good as my $700 sony... great system for the money. How do these guys sell these so inexpensively!?? Very happy with the product and the manufacturer confirmed the 3 year warranty in a conversation I had with them. Fun guys and way better than giving my money to Less Buy, Circuit Shitty or Fall-Apart. At this price, you can not beat the warranty or the sound.

  65. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:50 PM |  

    Just had the same thing as everybody else described happen to me in Kalamazoo Michigan. The guy had blond hair, was in his mid 30's driving a silver SUV. Stopped me in a parking lot saying he had an extra set of 7.1 Epic Sound speakers, MSRP on the box said $1999. Even had a catalog with them listed in it. I only paid him $120 for it, and I haven't tried the speakers out yet but I'm sure I got taken. Live and learn.

  66. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:25 PM |  

    Me an my roomate just got hit with this coming out of a restaurant in austin,tx. luckily we told them we didnt have the cash and we had bills to pay. They called us f**s and told us if we drive around an audi we can afford to buy these speakers. Its called a car payment a******.

  67. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:38 AM |  

    Paramount Audio Performance Pty.

    White Van Speaker scam in Australia

    1366 Centre Road,
    Clayton, VIC 3168
    0410 813 534

    and

    3/9 Plummer Street
    Port Melbourne,
    VIC 3207
    03 9570 1127

  68. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:41 AM |  

    Houston,
    We got F*CKED today a guy in a young guy in a single cab black pick-up truck scammed us for $180.00 He wanted $200.00 but we talked him down. He was in the Conn's parking lot on I-45 ,he gave us the same line that he accidently got 2.....I hope some 1 catches these f*ckers......

  69. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:44 PM |  

    Marietta, ohio they got my husband last weekend! he fell for it, hook line nad sinker. thank heavens he only had $200 in his pocket that day. he got the surround system. he said the guys were pretty slick. a good lesson learned

  70. Blogger Tyler | 9:05 PM |  

    I got taken today, Bellevue WA in Factoria Two guys in a shiny black SUV with California plates got me. Watch out.

  71. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:54 PM |  

    They got me today in San Antonio, TX. $200 bones, I called my wife to google Genesis Media Labs and she told me about the scam so I immediately turned around and cornered them in the parking lot. Threatened an ass whippin and they said they would follow me to my house and install, if I didnt like theyd give my money back. I chased em for 20 miles and lost em in traffic but I have their tags and I am uber pissed so if your in the SA area and wanna drive around and find these fags, just post a comment.

  72. Blogger DNS | 2:00 AM |  

    Some guy came up to me like that and i just ignored him...There is so many instances of people getting taken just on this forum. Just imagine how many people are getting ripped off by this every day. Sounds like a good business to me......If you can go home everyday look at yourself in the mirror and say that this is what you were put here on the earth to do...and be ok with that, its the perfect job for you ;)

  73. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:49 PM |  

    Gas station in Mesa, AZ. They actually got me and another guy who paid 400, while I paid 300. Made them open up the box, what duped me was when I saw all the parts there, all wrapped with an instructions manual still wrapped. Thought it was legit. *Sigh*

    I have their license plate and will be going to the gas station and the bank to retrieve the video tapes during that time. Then hopefully get the police involved to find out who owns the vehicle. I am... REALLY hoping I can get these scum. I *think* it was an expedition, or similar vehicle. Black, two douchebag looking guys. License plate. Epic 7.1

  74. Anonymous Anonymous | 10:53 PM |  

    Stupid me! I just was approached by these guys at Best Buy on Alpine.I should have known it was bull S#!t. They were quick and smooth.I figured it was legitimate,we were only feet from the doors of the store.They followed me to ATM @ credit union.I paid $150. for a Davici home theatre system.Dam those bastards. Im partly to blame.I figured I would take a chance on them,I geuss will see who has the last laugh!

  75. Anonymous Anonymous | 7:54 PM |  

    This scam is older than sin! I almost fell for this same exact scam in high school, over 20 years ago! A white van pulled me over, and showed me what looked like awesome high-end "liquid cooled" speakers for 400$, with all the paperwork "proving" they were worth 3999$ Lukcily I was poor back then, and all I had was 50$, which they wouldnt take. For years I felt like I had missed out on a deal of a lifetime! Its unbelieveable that this identical scam is still going on over 20 years later! Maybe people are too embarrased about getting fooled to talk about it and spread the word.

  76. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:15 AM |  

    i just brought a pair of matrix audio concept speakers in australia qld brisbane and i had no idea it was a scam till i got home and the speakers i bought for $380 au are excellent i got what i paid for they are unbeleivable sounding and look great too. same deal white van all the lies but igot a great deal i think anyway.

  77. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:58 AM |  

    i just brought a pair of matrix audio concept speakers in australia qld brisbane and i had no idea it was a scam till i got home and the speakers i bought for $380 au are excellent i got what i paid for they are unbeleivable sounding and look great too. same deal white van all the lies but igot a great deal i think anyway.

  78. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:35 PM |  

    these scammers are all over dayton,oh
    been approached 3 times in 4 months.
    i offered to test a set for the last guy.
    one of my regular customers brought in a stack of bgw 750's and i had just finished repairing them.
    told him i would set them up outside so there would be no fire hazard in the building when his craptastic dogg digital speakers burst into flames!
    he cussed a bunch and left half or better of his tire tread on the pavement.
    another guy actually came in my store and tried to sell me a bunch of this junk.
    i googled white van speaker scam and turned the monitor where he could see it.
    he still kept up his pitch.
    i told him they were still far too expensive for the purpose i would buy them for.he ask what that was.
    i responded,firewood.
    and he left hollering "i am in a fucking red van!
    priceless!

  79. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:45 PM |  

    Well at least I'm not the only one. So far I've seen very few cases in Miami though. Yea I fell for it and lost $400. Its ok though because I know eventually I'm going to see one of these guys again. Doesn't matter if its the same one or not. I'll take it out on whoever is trying to do this. Not only will I get my money back(if he has on him) but I'll teach them a lesson. Oh btw I don't mean I'm going to ask for my money back. They better be armed if they're doing this scam. Just in case he's a blk guy(speaks spanish) about 5'8 265lbs and driving a beige expedition. I'm always driving around Miami so I'm confident I'll find him.

  80. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:49 PM |  

    08/16/08 They're in miami so watchout. Genesis Media Labs. Enjoy the money--while you can. azzwholes. to the guy who said they have a place in west palm beach...its not close but im willing to go check it out. ill post if I get any "results."

  81. Anonymous Anonymous | 7:56 PM |  

    I just got took for 300$ for the epic 7.1 in tampa FL, everything told me it was a scam and being the dumb fuck I am, I still forked over the money they were really really smooth. Figure ill try to go pawn them im not even going to hook them up if I can pawn they are going in the garbage.

  82. Blogger steve | 3:31 PM |  

    http://newjersey.craigslist.org/ele/777446697.html some of these smooth fellas even post them on the net!!!

  83. Blogger ryan | 12:09 PM |  

    Hello,

    I was just scammed by a method called the white van scam. I was pumping gas and two guys approached me stating that they needed to sell an set of high-end speakers their boss had ordered extra by accident. They were very convincing, as they showed me brochures, invoices and the like. I asked why they couldn’t buy them or sell them to a friend, and they gave me some excuse about needing to deliver the whole shipment in my area within the hour. They also said that their boss told them to try and sell them for the wholesale price, otherwise, they would have to return them to the manufacture, which costs them more money.

    The speakers were supposedly worth over $2,000 and I bought them for $200. I go home to look up the speaker brand and suddenly found out I was ripped off by the “White Van Scam.”

    Although I was suspicious about the purchase, I said to myself, “these guys are on camera, I have their license plate number, if they were ripping me off they must be insane because I can find them and have them prosecuted criminally.” Turns out, the police seem to be on the crooks side, stating that I did in fact receive speakers. But what about theft by deception or fraud in the inducement? These are crimes in which the seller represents the goods are one thing, when I reality they are another. The cop I talked to gave me some b.s. line about “buyer beware.” I said, “really, so I can go buy a bunch of fake diamonds and come up with a scheme to sell them to unsuspecting old ladies passing them off as real high quality goods?” He said, “two wrongs don’t make a right.” No kidding. I wouldn’t rip anyone off but the point is that this scam was planned out to a tee, and with fake company shirts, brochures, invoices, and filled with lies as to the true nature of the speakers. THIS WAS A FRAUD.

    Anyways, sorry to vent so much, but if you would like more info, just type in White Van Scam on Google. I have also created a website, immediately after this happened to me www.WhiteVanScam.com which has more info on the scheme and everything about it. Don’t fall for this.

    From,

    A disgruntled victim.

  84. Anonymous Anonymous | 12:09 PM |  

    Hello,

    I was just scammed by a method called the white van scam. I was pumping gas and two guys approached me stating that they needed to sell an set of high-end speakers their boss had ordered extra by accident. They were very convincing, as they showed me brochures, invoices and the like. I asked why they couldn’t buy them or sell them to a friend, and they gave me some excuse about needing to deliver the whole shipment in my area within the hour. They also said that their boss told them to try and sell them for the wholesale price, otherwise, they would have to return them to the manufacture, which costs them more money.

    The speakers were supposedly worth over $2,000 and I bought them for $200. I go home to look up the speaker brand and suddenly found out I was ripped off by the “White Van Scam.”

    Although I was suspicious about the purchase, I said to myself, “these guys are on camera, I have their license plate number, if they were ripping me off they must be insane because I can find them and have them prosecuted criminally.” Turns out, the police seem to be on the crooks side, stating that I did in fact receive speakers. But what about theft by deception or fraud in the inducement? These are crimes in which the seller represents the goods are one thing, when I reality they are another. The cop I talked to gave me some b.s. line about “buyer beware.” I said, “really, so I can go buy a bunch of fake diamonds and come up with a scheme to sell them to unsuspecting old ladies passing them off as real high quality goods?” He said, “two wrongs don’t make a right.” No kidding. I wouldn’t rip anyone off but the point is that this scam was planned out to a tee, and with fake company shirts, brochures, invoices, and filled with lies as to the true nature of the speakers. THIS WAS A FRAUD.

    Anyways, sorry to vent so much, but if you would like more info, just type in White Van Scam on Google. I have also created a website, immediately after this happened to me www.WhiteVanScam.com which has more info on the scheme and everything about it. Don’t fall for this.

    From,

    A disgruntled victim.

  85. Anonymous Kyle S. | 10:11 PM |  

    They got me outside a Cenex in Wausau, WI. I was walking out after paying for my gas and a man in a parked white Chevy Trailblazer with Minnesota plates called me over. Thinking he was going to ask me for directions I went over by him. Then it went down as everyone else describes and I'm out 300.00. When I find them they're going down.

  86. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:23 PM |  

    Fremont, CA

    A white male in a black GMC Yukon scammed me for $300 in the Costco parking lot. He gave me the same selling crap telling me that Bose makes them, showed me magazines with MSRP of $2495 and told me to check their website which I did. He pulled the speakers out of the box and they looked mighty impressive with 5 surround sound speakers and a subwoofer. I guess I can't blame anyone but myself for being uninformed and unknowledgeable about speakers. I just hope that we can spread the word around in hopes of cutting down the number of vulnerable people falling victim to these predators.

  87. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:20 PM |  

    my partner just got done in a very small town called hervey bay, australia- for a matrix sound system, got totally @#$%ed over for 600... its happenning in more places then you think- he learnt his lesson the hard way.

  88. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:20 PM |  

    they got my friend in holland mich
    Sold him DiVinci DA 6.1 Pro series they are worth 50.00 and he bought them for 800.00 they are worthless he doesnt know yet he told me to Look up on line i did OH BOY HE HAS BEEN RIP OFF!!! BE CAREFUL!!!!

  89. Anonymous Anonymous | 12:54 AM |  

    I got f***ed for 300 bucks at a home depot. My boyfriend and I thought we were getting a good deal. I can't believe there's a whole website about this. They followed us to the ATM and everything. One of the guys claimed not to have a cell phone. That should have been a sign right there. Who doesn't have a cell phone these days? S**t,I'm still in disbelief. They need to get busted. If you ever get approached call the cops and copy there license plates.

  90. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:39 PM |  

    Fort Lauderdale. December 4, 2008. Dude in a white GMC license #154 SZK gave me the same speil on the STDX DX-6030 suggested MSRP of 2899.00 (THIS IS HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT LEGALLY, MSRP IS ONLY A MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL)took me for $300 though he was asking 4. Hopefully its worth a few hundred and not $75!!! If anyone knows where their warehouse is locally let me know, I heard if you find them, they will most likely return your money.

  91. Anonymous Anonymous | 2:03 PM |  

    GOT RIPPED OFF BY GUY PRESENTING HIMSELF AS TIM TEL. 949-495-2711 HE IS DRIVING WIGHT WAN. HE IS MEDIUM TALL. BLUE EYES WITH SOME DEFFECT ON HIS LEFT EYE. IT HAS HAPPENED IN LAGUNA HILLS CA. I KNOW THAT PENSILVANIA HAS A LAW ANGINST OF THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME IN CA AND OTHER STATES.

  92. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:08 PM |  

    I was aproached in a Sam's parking
    lot in Jacksonville, Fl., They had
    a suround sound and speakers left over from a job and wanted to sell cheap...had a catalog showing a high price listed. It smelled fishy to me and I told them no thank you...they keap on trying to sell...I got in my truck and drove off. Best move I've made in a long time. White van...2 men

  93. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:05 PM |  

    I had a buddy get scammed in MI, so we came up with this plan to get these guys back. I drive a really Trans Am, and these guys usually hang out at big open parking lots or well lit places but just a bit away from everyone else. I'm going to be the bait. When they come sucker me, we're going to surround them and beat the piss out of them.

  94. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:04 PM |  

    I was scammed into buying a set for 200 dollars! at first they wanted like 600, but I talked them down and I was happy thinking I got a great deal when I got home the sound was crap. I got ripped off! they were one philipino man and one hispanic man driving an 07 gmc yukon with dealer paper plates. L.A.,CA

  95. Anonymous Anonymous | 10:34 PM |  

    this needs more media exposure.... i guess i am a sucker i was a dumbass in natomas, california that fell for it they were driving around in a black escalade with liscense plate # 400HYD from florida- "the bosses car". Two younger guys med build (26-31 years old) with lots of tatoos that will forget your name 2 seconds after you tell them....

  96. Anonymous Joe | 5:31 PM |  

    These shitbags are around Western, MA. I got approached outside of Best Buy today, luckily I own a $2000+ Klipsch 7.1 Home Theater setup so I'm well aware of high quality audio products and not so high quality as well as this particular scam. I had fun with this one, I showed geniune intrest in the speakers (guy wanted $350 and they're worth $5,999, blah blah blah cock in his mouth), picked up the Sub-Woofer out of the box and he said "Yeah that thing booms dude", I replied with "A decent subwoofer weighs at least 30-60lbs, this thing weighs about as much as my speaker cable", I than took it, and dropped it HARD on the ground; it fell apart (it was priceless), this asshole than proceds to tell me I owe him money for what I just did and he's going to call the cops and should be glad he's not kicking my ass. I say "How professional of you" open my trunk, take out the baseball bat, and tell him to get the fuck away from me before he needs an ambulance. End of story. These guys aren't going to hurt you, they're just scumbags, have some fun with them.

  97. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:46 PM |  

    Ok, so i get a call from my dad. He's at an H-E-B in San Antonio, TX. There are two guys who are selling a home theater system from a WHITE VAN. My dad is all excited. they are offering him the system for only $300. Great deal, right? He puts these guys on the phone so i can talk to him. he gives me the "website" which is www.bts-systems.com. Its says the system was over $3,000. Thats a red light there. Com'on? its not even blue-ray or HD. it claims to be compatible with laser disc! You can automatically tell its phoney it might as well been a myspace page. I tell my dad not to buy it, it just seemed to suspious. So them i google and come to this website. Thank you jesus! Unfortuatley some other poor sucker fell for it and bought it. by the time i called my dad the man had left.

    Be careful people.

    The website is: www.bts-systems.com
    The "model" was: Epic 600

  98. Anonymous Anonymous | 6:56 PM |  

    I AM SINGLE MOM AND I FEEL SO DUMB! I FELL FOR THIS SCAM. I PAID $800.00 FOR CRAP.

  99. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:35 PM |  

    West Bloomfield, Michigan

    My dad just got scammed yesterday - West Bloomfield, Michigan at a Home Depot parking lot.

  100. Anonymous Anonymous | 12:05 AM |  

    Ann Arbor, Michigan. March/2009

    We paid $340. I then a few weeks later went out to eat and one of the guys was my WAITER.

    So far, 6 weeks later they still sound/work ok. I dunno what good surround sound is, but it is nice to have speakers all around you.....

  101. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:58 PM |  

    i used to date one of these guys. heres some of their numbers. they move often. there is a whole network of them all over the world. last i heard they were in orange county california. before that they were in new york, jersey, dc and philly. 720-290-9008goes by giovanni but thats not even his name, its chuck. his bosses number is 949-287-1563, al mitchell, he owns one of the companies, united audio group, 17981 sky park circle unit f irvine california 92614. HOPE I COULD HELP! HAVE FUN!!!

  102. Blogger Max | 3:28 PM |  

    Do all of these speakers sound bad? I got some acoustic response 707 and they don't sound to bad. Are they worth anything? I payed $50 bucks for them and they are like brand new.

  103. Anonymous Anonymous | 3:16 PM |  

    I would have never thought i'd get played like this but I did. The S.O.B got me today in Virginia Beach Virginia. No body to blame but myself I guess. I'll definitely be more suspicious next time around if it ever happens again.

  104. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:35 PM |  

    My dad was approached in Mankato, Minnesota, they said they would sell them to him for $400, my dad offered $125, they took the money and my dad came home with a set of speakers we realized weren't that horrible, good looking and all, we ended up selling them for more than that, but the moral f the story is buyer beware

  105. Anonymous Anonymous | 8:14 PM |  

    I had no idea about this. My grandmother bought the PARAMAX P701 for 300 bucks in a parking lot for my husband and I. We needed work done on our house so I was trying to sell it on craigslist for the extra money. WOW was I surprised at the nasty emails I recieved. I began researching white van scammers and became very upset when I realized I was scammed and then was being percieved as a scammer myself. I quickly removed the post with great apologies.

  106. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:10 PM |  

    I'm laughing now, but this sh*t is not funny. I'm in Decatur, GA. I was asked by two white uys in a black Yukon about a home theater system. Same ol story about home theater installation. they had the magazine, working #, I copied the adress off his license, and they even showed me the paramax website on the phone. One came into the grocery store, so he's definitely on camera. F*ck it i'm gonna call the local newstation and see can they expose these guys.
    I actually had my pistol on me. All It took was one second to look up the speakers on my own phone, lucky for them my network was slow (that was the selling point).
    If you're profiting from selling this junk, you're blessed to be living still. If I were you I'd consider this posting as a fair warning to stop before you run across the right one. Two of you came very close to getting your asses burnt today. I haven't even hooked up the system yet and I'm disappointed.
    If the newstation shows their image I'll post them. Everybody who got ripped off, don't feel too bad, ,laugh that sh*t off and don't let it happen again. ever

  107. Anonymous Anonymous | 4:53 PM |  

    i had been approched by 2 kids in a white van 2 times in 2 weeks driving down route 6 in portage so if your in the area dont fall for it there in the area

  108. Anonymous Anonymous | 5:01 PM |  

    Crappy old van in Minnesota. West St. Paul to be specific. They must ahve seen me leave the bank parking lot. They followed me to Lowes parking lot and tried to sell me the speaker system. Totla white trash fuckers. They told me that they had been given two by mistake from thier distributor and they were worth $3000 but I could get them for $200. Luckily I only had $80 on me and after I wouldn't go back to the bank on their urging they gave up. I guess they must have been worth at least $80 right? Lesson here is if it is too good to be true it probably is. I wdo understand how someone could be taken though. Who doesn't like a good deal. Just watch out and catch these F'rs

  109. Anonymous Anonymous | 7:22 PM |  

    Got taken too. Only for $180 though which isn't nearly as bad as some others. Pisses me off nonetheless. Got me at outside Walmart in Oregon, OH. White van and all. Still haven't hooked it up. Gonna use it as my stereo in my garage. Lesson learned...

  110. Blogger Josh | 10:00 AM |  

    They got me WHILE I was driving. I had my window down smoking a cigarette, one fairly decent looking guy asked if I wanted speakers. I pulled into an empy office park and he did the routine. He got me for $220. Haven't hooked it up because I gave it to my friend for a christmas present BEFORE I found out it was a scam. I hope to God it works....how embarassing would that be if he finds out that they don't even work? I hope these guys get what they deserve. I feel SO stupid for not getting their license plate. God bless all of you who got scammed. If there's a God they'll all die in horrible car accidents.

  111. Anonymous Anonymous | 11:16 PM |  

    We got scammed in Eloy, Az at the Petro Truck Stop. ( 3/5/2010) we were approached by a white male in a Tan metallic Chevrolet Tahoe. Of couurse the low life could afford a new Tahoe by scamming unsuspecting people !
    All I can say is he better be watching his back because he is due for a good old ass whooping! And my husband is the one to do it!!!! We should have known better but we were both just getting over the flu and were not really prepared to be blindsided by such a fast talking asshole!! People like him have a lot to answer for when they die( if my better half doesn't find him first!)

  112. Anonymous Anonymous | 7:26 PM |  

    3/15/2010 Plantation, FL. I got scammed for the Paramax IM3 Digital Fusion home theater system. It was a white male in his early 30s and he waved me down in the Bank of America parking lot. Got me for $300. I went looking to kick some ass and found a warehouse where the white van guys sell Olin Ross. Apparently these are a different batch of guys. The manager was nice as hell because I think he knew I was CCW. If anyone knows where the Paramax warehouse is in Ft. Lauderdale please let me know. The Olin Ross guys are at 4500 N. Hiatus Rd. Sunrise, FL If we team up we can get these guys

  113. Anonymous Anonymous | 1:06 AM |  

    04/03/2010 - Plantation, FL. Paramax P6 system bullshit. Blue Chevy HHR, younger 30s, 2 guys, one bullshit story home theater installer story. And i fell for it. To the dude above me, email dd76uj@gmail.com . Sounds like the same f***s

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